PF/UPND hamornising manifestos-Kabimba
The PF/UPND pact says it is working on harmonising the manifestos for both political parties so that they have one manifesto for the pact.
PF Secretary General Wynter Kabimba says the two parties are working on their manifestos so that they can present only one to the Zambian people.
Kabimba denied assertions that the pact’s only existence to remove the MMD from power.
He said it is the voters that will take out the ruling party.
He further said he would not apologize to President Rupiah Banda and the Chinese Government over his remarks about the president’s visit to China.
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You should get your stats right there are more Tonga Women married to Bemba Men and there marriages are solid. If you are tribalist stay with your tribalism.
We need change hope you are not one of the people benefiting from this stupid govt
Viva to the pact.For Chipimo wrong timing!launching the party at Mulungushi Conference centre when there are floods in Kanyama, no strategy. How many people in Lusaka know of NAREP
freeman on earth says:
Quote: “…..I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues?…..”
Sir, and your questions are contrary to my earlier posting in what way? I don’t need your forgiveness, Mr! What I wish you would do before attacking someone is try to comprehend what they have written. I thought my English was simple enough for anyone to get it. Alas not you, freeman fimo fimo!
Indulge me, let me again waste another page see if you get it this time:
1) If there are all these problems afflicting the PACT that Mr. Chizyuka is alluding to, when do you suppose is the right time for PF/UPND to iron these problems out before they become cancerous and deadly to the partnership?
2) Who do you wish should set the agenda for the PACT to do due diligence so that issues and areas of differences between the two parties are reconciled? Is it you and me? time? or PACT members themselves? If it is the PACT’s business to sort out their problems, well, apparently they have decided to deal with this issue now. And you and me should respect that.
3) What exactly is your understanding of the term HARMONIZATION? Because my earlier posting mainly argues this point. Unless you are suggesting to me that it makes sense for them to carry on business as usual despite the “…many [problems] which to a person like [me] do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues…”(to borrow your words), then I suggest you reread my previous posting, maybe this time around you will be able to get my point.
4) The PACT just got formed not too long ago. And to come up with a common platform which both parties can live with and operate under once elected takes time and patience. They have to consult widely amongst their members and, the back-and-forth between them has to be mutual and respectful. So, if you ask: Why now? The answer is; why not now?
5) Harmonizing of manifestos, whether they did it yesterday, do it today, or tomorrow, does not mean the two Parties have to abandon their individual Party manifestos. All it means is that they come up with a common set of principles before the 2011 elections which they can then go out there and sale to the electorate (Zambian people)!! That is a very responsible thing to do if they expect anybody to take their “MARIAGE” (the PACT) seriously.
7) If they don’t do this, which manifesto do you prefer (PF or UPND) once these guys get lucky and win the elections next year? Don’t you think this is the right time for them to do this so you and I can have a chance to scrutinize what they intend to do (as a PACT) once elected? Am I wrong to assume that knowledge is power!
Yambayamba says:
I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues? This is what Chizyuka commented on for example and they opted to fire him claiming he was lying. Please ba Yambayamba, dont embarass yourself on such issues. Everyone on this blogg atleast agrees that the Pact can only work if they harmonise there manifesto. I dont support the Pact anyway. But that doesnt mean that one cant ask legitimate questions like those posed above.
Some criticisms here towards Mr. Kabimba makes no sense at all. Is it like a fashion statement amongst Zambians now to launch into “criticism orgies” without rendering even the simplest of an analysis to the subject at hand? Geese!! What is so wrong about Kabimba’s statement? I don’t get it.
Harmonization of the two party’s manifestos is the logical thing to do if PF and UPND are serious about forming the next govt as a PACT. So, what is wrong about that? Do you people expect these two Parties to be working from two different camps and principles when they form govt? Don’t you think that is a recipe for unnecessary confusion and disagreements between the two camps going forward? Like the article has stated, unless PF/UPND pact’s only interest is to kick the MMD out of power and not forming a functioning govt in 2011, then some of the criticism I read on here is justified. In that case they should continue working from separate sets of principles (and that’s what manifestos are), but in the end people will be able to see through the nonsense and the MMD will look like the MOST MATURE AND POLITICAL GENIUSES to ever governed Zambia.
Can you imagine the squabbles and in-fighting that would erupt if they (PACT) don’t agree on a set of common governing principles of the PACT and they get lucky to form the next govt?! Only a fool can not recognise that such a scenario would be a “ticking Bomb.” It is a scenario that would make MMD appear like it is composed of Angels. They (PF/UPND pact) should be applauded for thinking beyond the excitement of the moment and well ahead of the game. What they have embarked upon is what wise people do in anticipation of seen and unforeseen problems—-it is called POLITICAL MATURITY, people!!!
I am no Winter Kabimba, PF, or UPND sympathiser, but man! some bloggers on here have very shallow reasoning about what seems so straight forward an issue. If they (PF/UPND) don’t do this now, can someone suggest when is the good or right time to do it?! In every merger (Marriage, cooperate, social, economic, political, etc,) there is always harmonisation and compromising of positions that has to take place. Otherwise the merger wouldn’t work. Unless, of course, it is a “buy-out” of one by the other, or it is a “forced marriage”. An arrangement where one partner has no say in the whole affair. And it sounds like this is the mindset most of you “doo doo heads” criticising Kabimba have—-God have mercy!!!!!!!!!
why harmonise, unless the reason is to merge. he certainly has many futile battles to fight.
pls pipo this thug winter is not a lawyer,actually he is a kaponya
Dont worry! HH is the natural candidate after Sata fails to get nominated for:-
1. Criminal Record
2. No accredited degree which is recognised and approved by UNZA & GRZ
The only solution will be HH.
PF will have no choice but tothrow its weight behind HH & UPND.
Tonga rule is comming dont worry!
USELESS!!!! That is why you call yourself by this name because you are useless for sure. Can you honestly compare yourself with Winter??? No ways!!! you are so dull!!!
Mwapya baisa!
All you doubting Thomas(es)you are now in trouble.
Kabimba is sharp and intelligent and you cannot compare him with any chap currently in government!
Waumfwa Volcanologost naiwe Useless as your name suggests!
Mwapya baisa!
This is where UPND takes over PF and leaves Sata roasting in the oven fighting his adultery, a criminal record and a fake bachelors degree.
UPND is slowly talking over PF’s support base because the latter has no candidate for 2011.
Well done HH!
Its time for a Tonga to rule!
Being a critic meanings giving undue advice to correct or persuade others to follow or correct. Using abusive langauge is not part of our culture,mind you follow citizens you will be the next leader.And i believe,you be the first one to censor this site.
The beauty of democracy is personal choice like Chiluba once said.Instead of crying and insulting the pact its better to let alone those who support it be in peace,the way we did with Mr Chakomboka.Simple logic,if you do not love your neighbour why open your mouth and bother what he is eating? if you are clever leave him.Kabimba was passing alone at UNZA.I am sure he is better than all your grandfathers.Otherwise send your cv’s.so we prove how better you are than kabimba.
I hope this is not a cheap way for the PF to uplift the mighty UPND TEAM’s best Manifesto for Zambia so that it, PF, can claim ownership of it also.
Anyhow, keep well all and best wishes to the PACT.
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Matt 6:33
The pact is full of directionless leaders. Now they are just exposing their confusion to the elite electorates who happen to be their majority voters. How do they expect the town dwellers in the Copperbelt & Lsk to vote for them when they dont have a manifesto? This to me looks like another lost oppoturnity yet again.
Ma rubbish ya PACT. Winter is a sick idiocy of a politician and i wonder whether his a genuine lawyer. Anyway, for Winter he was luck because at the time Zambia wanted its own lawyers, he was one of the fools supported to study law and a useless lawyer for that matter.
Am for new leadership and not for ma rubbish ya HH and Serpet Cobra Sata. Viva Chipimo and NAREP.
How long will you be harmonising imwe, so that chizuka chap was right when he was saying the pact was not consolidated at formation. See now you are just making us realise it was a rushed marriage, infact Sata and HH eloped, didnt go through proper channels, thats what you get when you are power hungry, no principles. How can you still be harmonising upto now, very dull strategist. What happens when you dont agree what will you do. This pact nonsense is irritating. I used to be staunch UPND, supporting young blood, now am going to NAREP, where new leaders will be born, not this failure called HH, am told he has agreed to be vice president, on condition that most of his MP’s are cabinet ministers, that way gaurantee their interests as well. He is even saying he thinks Sata will be dead by next year, the heart issues are getting worse, so then he will be the only candidate remaining, to ascend to top sit.Ba HH is playing Sata will dribble him. Anyway shalenipo mukwai, ifwe we are going for real change ku NAREP. Viva Chipimo, show that uselss chap called HH what real change is, not sleeping with an immoral man who can f u c k sisters, sure, that is very disapointing. HH is sleeping with an ex convict and a snitch iwe ka HH wake up and joing Chipimo, for real change, leave that old gooza and start thinking what is best for Zambia. Sata will never ever be the best option for Zambia. He is what he is a joke, clown for entertaining small minds.
if all lawyers reason like winter kabimba then I DONT WANT TO BE ONE!! this idiot; just like IMBUA & KONOSO are so DULL!!
Stupid, aimless and strategy-less pact.
You mean you went into a PACT without a clearly defined manifesto? Some dull lawyer Winter or is it Summer Kabimba is….how can a lawyer subscribe to an unidentified entity? ‘
Anyway what do you expect from a Lusaka City Council lawyer who sold council houses to foreigners contrary to the guidelines for a fee..Am sure he Winter and Sylvia Masebo can explain how Rodger Lee a Honk Kong National acquired his house in Lubu Road?
So much for poor leadership and everyone knows top notch lawyers dont come from the council thats a poor lawyers choice.oops I mean forgot he is now Secretary General and Pact spokesman..or is HE?
i hope Kabimba will not become a fool like the other two former SC for PF.Those two guy have now become fools. they worked with Sata all this long but today they are out they want to say bad things about the old man
the pact will work out..viva and we wish u the best guys…hurry up!!
Winter,
Handle this pact with great care. Remember there are two separate vehicles carrying voters and you you are doing is to try and fill them up in one vehicle.Be careful with the system you are using to mix these voters.
Dealing with voters in this manner is like trans-shipping eggs from one truck and trailer to the other. There is a greater risk of losses resulting from damages.
The other option is swapping the horses and the earlier it is done the better. Since voters are not eggs but human beings, there will be some who will not be happy with the alternative horse and they will definitely look outside.
Between the two horses, we are trying to say one horse can do better than the other. The horse may not argue but what about the owners?
The question is are you swapping the horses or trans-shipping the voters?
The Pact is a finished marriage of convenience and it can never harmonise its manifestos.Its like a marriage between a Bemba and a Tonga.Such marriages’ success rate is always minimal.UPND should know by now that they are being used to campaign for PF.What a shame to UPND.Its high time HH started working on an exit strategy. Sata with his criminal record wont stand in 2011..Come Rain Come Sunshine.Whether people accept it or not, it still remains a fact.