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		<title>By: Chils</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Informed

You should get your stats right there are more Tonga Women married to Bemba Men and there marriages are solid. If you are tribalist stay with your tribalism.

We need change hope you are not one of the people benefiting from this stupid govt</description>
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<p>You should get your stats right there are more Tonga Women married to Bemba Men and there marriages are solid. If you are tribalist stay with your tribalism.</p>
<p>We need change hope you are not one of the people benefiting from this stupid govt</p>
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		<title>By: Chils</title>
		<link>http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/03/10/the-pact-preparing-its-maifesto-kabimba/#comment-28589</link>
		<dc:creator>Chils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viva to the pact.For Chipimo wrong timing!launching the party at Mulungushi Conference centre when there are floods in Kanyama, no strategy. How many people in Lusaka know of NAREP</description>
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		<title>By: Yambayamba</title>
		<link>http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/03/10/the-pact-preparing-its-maifesto-kabimba/#comment-28486</link>
		<dc:creator>Yambayamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freeman on earth says:
 
Quote: &quot;.....I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues?.....&quot;

Sir, and your questions are contrary to my earlier posting in what way? I don&#039;t need your forgiveness, Mr! What I wish you would do before attacking someone is try to comprehend what they have written. I thought my English was simple enough for anyone to get it. Alas not you, freeman fimo fimo!

Indulge me, let me again waste another page see if you get it this time:

1) If there are all these problems afflicting the PACT that Mr. Chizyuka is    alluding to, when do you suppose is the right time for PF/UPND to iron these problems out before they become cancerous and deadly to the partnership?

2) Who do you wish should set the agenda for the PACT to do due diligence so that issues and areas of differences between the two parties are reconciled? Is it you and me? time? or PACT members themselves? If it is the PACT&#039;s business to sort out their problems, well, apparently they have decided to deal with this issue now. And you and me should respect that.

3) What exactly is your understanding of the term HARMONIZATION? Because my earlier posting mainly argues this point. Unless you are suggesting to me that it makes sense for them to carry on business as usual despite the &quot;...many [problems] which to a person like [me] do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues...&quot;(to borrow your words), then I suggest you reread my previous posting, maybe this time around you will be able to get my point.

4) The PACT just got formed not too long ago. And to come up with a common platform which both parties can live with and operate under once elected takes time and patience. They have to consult widely amongst their members and, the back-and-forth between them has to be mutual and respectful. So, if you ask: Why now? The answer is; why not now?

5) Harmonizing of manifestos, whether they did it yesterday, do it today, or tomorrow, does not mean the two Parties have to abandon their individual Party manifestos. All it means is that they come up with a common set of principles before the 2011 elections which they can then go out there and sale to the electorate (Zambian people)!! That is a very responsible thing to do if they expect anybody to take their &quot;MARIAGE&quot; (the PACT) seriously.

7) If they don&#039;t do this, which manifesto do you prefer (PF or UPND) once these guys get lucky and win the elections next year? Don&#039;t you think this is the right time for them to do this so you and I can have a chance to scrutinize what they intend to do (as a PACT) once elected? Am I wrong to assume that knowledge is power!

8) By the way, we both should be happy that we have enough &quot;blog real estate&quot; to waste here on ZW----after all it is free of charge brother, LOL. Have a good one!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freeman on earth says:</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;&#8230;..I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues?&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Sir, and your questions are contrary to my earlier posting in what way? I don&#8217;t need your forgiveness, Mr! What I wish you would do before attacking someone is try to comprehend what they have written. I thought my English was simple enough for anyone to get it. Alas not you, freeman fimo fimo!</p>
<p>Indulge me, let me again waste another page see if you get it this time:</p>
<p>1) If there are all these problems afflicting the PACT that Mr. Chizyuka is    alluding to, when do you suppose is the right time for PF/UPND to iron these problems out before they become cancerous and deadly to the partnership?</p>
<p>2) Who do you wish should set the agenda for the PACT to do due diligence so that issues and areas of differences between the two parties are reconciled? Is it you and me? time? or PACT members themselves? If it is the PACT&#8217;s business to sort out their problems, well, apparently they have decided to deal with this issue now. And you and me should respect that.</p>
<p>3) What exactly is your understanding of the term HARMONIZATION? Because my earlier posting mainly argues this point. Unless you are suggesting to me that it makes sense for them to carry on business as usual despite the &#8220;&#8230;many [problems] which to a person like [me] do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues&#8230;&#8221;(to borrow your words), then I suggest you reread my previous posting, maybe this time around you will be able to get my point.</p>
<p>4) The PACT just got formed not too long ago. And to come up with a common platform which both parties can live with and operate under once elected takes time and patience. They have to consult widely amongst their members and, the back-and-forth between them has to be mutual and respectful. So, if you ask: Why now? The answer is; why not now?</p>
<p>5) Harmonizing of manifestos, whether they did it yesterday, do it today, or tomorrow, does not mean the two Parties have to abandon their individual Party manifestos. All it means is that they come up with a common set of principles before the 2011 elections which they can then go out there and sale to the electorate (Zambian people)!! That is a very responsible thing to do if they expect anybody to take their &#8220;MARIAGE&#8221; (the PACT) seriously.</p>
<p>7) If they don&#8217;t do this, which manifesto do you prefer (PF or UPND) once these guys get lucky and win the elections next year? Don&#8217;t you think this is the right time for them to do this so you and I can have a chance to scrutinize what they intend to do (as a PACT) once elected? Am I wrong to assume that knowledge is power!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> By the way, we both should be happy that we have enough &#8220;blog real estate&#8221; to waste here on ZW&#8212;-after all it is free of charge brother, LOL. Have a good one!!</p>
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		<title>By: freeman on earth</title>
		<link>http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/03/10/the-pact-preparing-its-maifesto-kabimba/#comment-28446</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman on earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yambayamba says: 
I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues? This is what Chizyuka commented on for example and they opted to fire him claiming he was lying. Please ba Yambayamba, dont embarass yourself on such issues. Everyone on this blogg atleast agrees that the Pact can only work if they harmonise there manifesto. I dont support the Pact anyway. But that doesnt mean that one cant ask legitimate questions like those posed above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yambayamba says:<br />
I forigive you for you do not know what you are talking about despite wasting a page and half. The issue is not about harmonising the manifestoes. the argument is: Why harmonise now? What if they agree to disagree? What has been guiding them in there operations upto this point? And many others which to a person like you do not make sense but they are serious and contentious issues? This is what Chizyuka commented on for example and they opted to fire him claiming he was lying. Please ba Yambayamba, dont embarass yourself on such issues. Everyone on this blogg atleast agrees that the Pact can only work if they harmonise there manifesto. I dont support the Pact anyway. But that doesnt mean that one cant ask legitimate questions like those posed above.</p>
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		<title>By: Yambayamba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yambayamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some criticisms here towards Mr. Kabimba makes no sense at all. Is it like a fashion statement amongst Zambians now to launch into &quot;criticism orgies&quot; without rendering even the simplest of an analysis to the subject at hand? Geese!! What is so wrong about Kabimba&#039;s statement? I don&#039;t get it.

Harmonization of the two party&#039;s manifestos is the logical thing to do if PF and UPND are serious about forming the next govt as a PACT. So, what is wrong about that? Do you people expect these two Parties to be working from two different camps and principles when they form govt? Don&#039;t you think that is a recipe for unnecessary confusion and disagreements between the two camps going forward? Like the article has stated, unless PF/UPND pact&#039;s only interest is to kick the MMD out of power and not forming a functioning govt in 2011, then some of the criticism I read on here is justified. In that case they should continue working from separate sets of principles (and that&#039;s what manifestos are), but in the end people will be able to see through the nonsense and the MMD will look like the MOST MATURE AND POLITICAL GENIUSES to ever governed Zambia. 

Can you imagine the squabbles and in-fighting that would erupt if they (PACT) don&#039;t agree on a set of common governing principles of the PACT and they get lucky to form the next govt?! Only a fool can not recognise that such a scenario would be a &quot;ticking Bomb.&quot; It is a scenario that would make MMD appear like it is composed of Angels. They (PF/UPND pact) should be applauded for thinking beyond the excitement of the moment and well ahead of the game. What they have embarked upon is what wise people do in anticipation of seen and unforeseen problems----it is called POLITICAL MATURITY, people!!!

I am no Winter Kabimba, PF, or UPND sympathiser, but man! some bloggers on here have very shallow reasoning about what seems so straight forward an issue. If they (PF/UPND) don&#039;t do this now, can someone suggest when is the good or right time to do it?! In every merger (Marriage, cooperate, social, economic, political, etc,) there is always harmonisation and compromising of positions that has to take place. Otherwise the merger wouldn&#039;t work. Unless, of course, it is a &quot;buy-out&quot; of one by the other, or it is a &quot;forced marriage&quot;. An arrangement where one partner has no say in the whole affair. And it sounds like this is the mindset most of you &quot;doo doo heads&quot; criticising Kabimba have----God have mercy!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some criticisms here towards Mr. Kabimba makes no sense at all. Is it like a fashion statement amongst Zambians now to launch into &#8220;criticism orgies&#8221; without rendering even the simplest of an analysis to the subject at hand? Geese!! What is so wrong about Kabimba&#8217;s statement? I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Harmonization of the two party&#8217;s manifestos is the logical thing to do if PF and UPND are serious about forming the next govt as a PACT. So, what is wrong about that? Do you people expect these two Parties to be working from two different camps and principles when they form govt? Don&#8217;t you think that is a recipe for unnecessary confusion and disagreements between the two camps going forward? Like the article has stated, unless PF/UPND pact&#8217;s only interest is to kick the MMD out of power and not forming a functioning govt in 2011, then some of the criticism I read on here is justified. In that case they should continue working from separate sets of principles (and that&#8217;s what manifestos are), but in the end people will be able to see through the nonsense and the MMD will look like the MOST MATURE AND POLITICAL GENIUSES to ever governed Zambia. </p>
<p>Can you imagine the squabbles and in-fighting that would erupt if they (PACT) don&#8217;t agree on a set of common governing principles of the PACT and they get lucky to form the next govt?! Only a fool can not recognise that such a scenario would be a &#8220;ticking Bomb.&#8221; It is a scenario that would make MMD appear like it is composed of Angels. They (PF/UPND pact) should be applauded for thinking beyond the excitement of the moment and well ahead of the game. What they have embarked upon is what wise people do in anticipation of seen and unforeseen problems&#8212;-it is called POLITICAL MATURITY, people!!!</p>
<p>I am no Winter Kabimba, PF, or UPND sympathiser, but man! some bloggers on here have very shallow reasoning about what seems so straight forward an issue. If they (PF/UPND) don&#8217;t do this now, can someone suggest when is the good or right time to do it?! In every merger (Marriage, cooperate, social, economic, political, etc,) there is always harmonisation and compromising of positions that has to take place. Otherwise the merger wouldn&#8217;t work. Unless, of course, it is a &#8220;buy-out&#8221; of one by the other, or it is a &#8220;forced marriage&#8221;. An arrangement where one partner has no say in the whole affair. And it sounds like this is the mindset most of you &#8220;doo doo heads&#8221; criticising Kabimba have&#8212;-God have mercy!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbwiza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbwiza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why harmonise, unless the reason is to merge. he certainly has many futile battles to fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why harmonise, unless the reason is to merge. he certainly has many futile battles to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: SMITH</title>
		<link>http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/03/10/the-pact-preparing-its-maifesto-kabimba/#comment-28398</link>
		<dc:creator>SMITH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pls pipo this thug winter is not a lawyer,actually he is a kaponya</description>
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		<title>By: Moomba Maimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2010/03/10/the-pact-preparing-its-maifesto-kabimba/#comment-28388</link>
		<dc:creator>Moomba Maimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont worry! HH is the natural candidate after Sata fails to get nominated for:-

1. Criminal Record
2. No accredited degree which is recognised and approved by UNZA &amp; GRZ

The only solution will be HH.

PF will have no choice but tothrow its weight behind HH &amp; UPND.

Tonga rule is comming dont worry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont worry! HH is the natural candidate after Sata fails to get nominated for:-</p>
<p>1. Criminal Record<br />
2. No accredited degree which is recognised and approved by UNZA &amp; GRZ</p>
<p>The only solution will be HH.</p>
<p>PF will have no choice but tothrow its weight behind HH &amp; UPND.</p>
<p>Tonga rule is comming dont worry!</p>
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		<title>By: The Reflector</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reflector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USELESS!!!! That is why you call yourself by this name because you are useless for sure. Can you honestly compare yourself with Winter??? No ways!!! you are so dull!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USELESS!!!! That is why you call yourself by this name because you are useless for sure. Can you honestly compare yourself with Winter??? No ways!!! you are so dull!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shikalumekalyonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shikalumekalyonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mwapya baisa!
All you doubting Thomas(es)you are now in trouble.
Kabimba is sharp and intelligent and you cannot compare him with any chap currently in government!
Waumfwa Volcanologost naiwe Useless as your name suggests!
Mwapya baisa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mwapya baisa!<br />
All you doubting Thomas(es)you are now in trouble.<br />
Kabimba is sharp and intelligent and you cannot compare him with any chap currently in government!<br />
Waumfwa Volcanologost naiwe Useless as your name suggests!<br />
Mwapya baisa!</p>
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