More organisations oppose the Post newspaper agenda of lifting RB’s immunity
A number of civil society organisations in Zambia have joined those that are opposed to the lifting of former president Rupiah Banda’s immunity.
The Civil Society for Poverty Reduction (CSPR) in Eastern Province has described calls to remove the immunity of fourth Republican President Rupiah Banda as a serious violation of the rule of natural justice.
CSPR Provincial Coordinator, Maxwell Nkhoma says the organization finds calls to remove Mr Banda’s immunity as premature because there is no evidence of corruption against him.
Mr Mwale explained that CSPR strongly believes that the Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC) and other law enforcement agencies have not done enough up to this stage to show causes why the immunity of Mr Banda should be removed.
Mr Nkhoma said that there is need for law enforcement agencies to provide evidence to the public showing wrong doings by Mr Banda while he was in office.
CSPR has also demanded updates on investigations involving Justice Minister, Wynter Kabimba and Defence Minister, Geoffrey Mwamba on alleged corruption if equality before the law is to be seen.
The Non Governmental Organisation Coordinating Committee (NGOCC), Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP) and the Southern Centre for Constructive Resolution of Dispute (SACCORD) have all opposed the lifting of president’s Banda’s immunity.
And Eastern province MMD MPs serving in Sata’s government are also opposed to the lifting of former president Mr. Banda’s immunity.
MMD Provincial Secretary, Samuel Lugomo Phiri told ZANIS in interview that Mkaika constituency MP David Phiri, Kapoche’s Nicholas Banda and Nyimba constituency MP Forrie Tembo have continued to follow the party’s guidelines and do not support some of the ideas of the PF government, such as the lifting of immunity of former President, Rupiah Banda.
So far only the PF compromised mercenaries at the not so Transparent International Zambia (TIZ) have called for lifting of Mr. Banda’s immunity even before a case is established against him.
In an effort to divert attention from Sata’s failures and illness, the Post newspaper and their cartel have launched a campaign for the removal of Mr. Banda’s immunity.
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Pf you have just failed Zambia…What about RB,s Immunity?
Mongo - February 19, 2013
23:26
The curreent opposition is simply a slap in the fight against corrruption. A defiant defense of corrupt elements sends a strong signal of what they stand for. You wonder what they themselves would do to public property/treasury if elected leaders! But it is good to know them now than later.
shilock - February 19, 2013
23:14
I hope chiMembe and chiNchito don’t get away with this. They really take Zambians for granted and guillible Zambians still think what the evil and vindictive chiMembe says is gospel truth. Start by first paying off our cash-just to remind the two of you, you owe us over K14bn-whether you rebase or not that is a lot of money. Don’t divert our attention. You will sing and sing we shall not forget. Give us our money back and leave RB, after all, if he abused his office it was only a few months ago. On the other hand, for how long have you, chiMembe and chiNchito, have had our cash?
Dull as usual - February 19, 2013
21:13
Nonsense. We want our 90 days promises failure of which CNP will have his immunity lifted while in office.
Umkontwe We Sizwe - February 19, 2013
19:32
If they call you to ACC and you refuse then give them other options
if you dont want your immunity removed
efyo - February 19, 2013
19:20
Why dont ACC just tell us details of so called charges? How can you remove immu.ity when even Sakeni admits that they can not make out a case against RB? Immunity is there to stop such witch hunts!
JC - February 19, 2013
21:39
are promises of 90days hiden in immunity upon lifting the youths will deemed for employement
COOL MAN - February 19, 2013
18:47
we are tired of this noise of immunity does it mean employement within 90 days has been hold by RB to have money in our pocket
COOL MAN - February 19, 2013
18:43
Instead of wasting effort on going after the opposition, the PF should be putting effort in job creation which requires a solid economic plan and proper regulation. Something none of the parties have. The PF ran on more jobs but no one asked, How many, by when, what are the consequences for failing to deliver, How exactly are you going to create jobs? The PF has no clue how to create jobs or manage a 21 century economy. The said thing is neither do the other existing political parties. No party is putting up a real defensible economic plan or vision for Zambia.
wayne - February 19, 2013
18:30
STOP BUYING THE POST AND SEE HOW MEMBER WILL PUSH HIS AGENDA!
zodiac - February 19, 2013
17:07
Why remove RB’s immunity at the instigation of the thieves at the Post? Zambians are being fooled here to ignore the clear theft of over K14bn by Ka Fred “Queer” Mmembe and Mutembo “Fatso” Nchito. Tell exactly what it is RB did instead of trying him in the Post
Lusaka Fire - February 19, 2013
15:54
Sata and his team are bunch of fools we are doomed under their leadership.What do you expect from a sick person like sata,it is a fact that sata is very sick that is the reason why first lady is always with him on any trip he under takes.Ba Sata step down do not waste our time, you are a wrotten head no wonder your minsters are behaving in any way they so wish.
zero - February 19, 2013
15:49
ZWD, WE ARE ANXIOUSLY WAITING FOR YOU TO LAUNCH A COUNTER CAMPAIGN AGAINST KABIMBA, MWAMBA, NCHITO AND MEEMBE.
katongo nsambe - February 19, 2013
15:23
To avoid a mare hatred of citizens, can zambians be availed with evidence.Otherwise the next right step is bloodshed for mother Zambia.
Advocate - February 19, 2013
15:13
Corruption has become the trade mark for Zambia and almost everyone is corrupt. there is no insitution, public or private and peoples who ‘re clean on corruption. Please pf leave this RB alone since you don’t have evidence. its not fair to embarrase him just for that sake because it will bomerang. Those close to the president should advise him not to listen to membe and mutembo Nchito who ‘re fighting for survival, because if Sata continues to toil their way he will be the next to loose immunity especially that he has antagonized every possible next president of Zambia come 2016.
atase - February 19, 2013
15:02
can andeleki please deregister pf, post and TIZ, please help us on this one, please. it could be the only right thing u cud do for normal citizens
woo - February 19, 2013
15:00
Iknow nothing about Rupiah’s corruption.Educate me!
VICTOR - February 19, 2013
14:58
When the issue of lifting Chiluba’s immunity came up in 2002/3, Mwanawasa addressed a press conference at which he accused him of abuse of the ZAMTROOP account. He went on to read out the names of people who benefited from the various payments which were done. The names read out included Matthews Ngulube the Chief Justice then, VJ, ETC. From there civil Society Organizations did the lobbying part at Parliament buildings.
Can Mr. Sata do the same for RB.
Luba-Kaonde - February 19, 2013
14:54
PF are busy looking for a clinic in Cuba where to take their ailing leader.
Lutembwe - February 19, 2013
14:48
ku CUBA kwama latino presido and not our man lest he regrets having gone there. kukosa fye na Punjab yemwe.
THINKU - February 19, 2013
15:34
let’s gurad against these mafias who don’t want to pay back our money after borrowing..what kind of morals are these if they have any..?the pfost and Zambian airways big bum DPP..RB was our president..PF ahs lost it for here..
blacky - February 19, 2013
14:28
RB and his governemnt left USD 2billion in the kitty – do any of you who seem to know it all tell us exactly how much is in the Treasury now?
Cindy - February 19, 2013
14:22
I agree that RB’s immunity should be removed. You can’t talk about evidence now and I believe the investigative organs do have the evidence but they do not want it in the public domain for obvious reasons.
Most likely what will happen is that when the motion is moved in prliament, all the reasons will be brought to the fore, as it was with Chiluba when the late Levy Patrick Mwanawasa (SC) made those dramatic revelations to have Chiluba’s immunity removed.
Also, failure to remove RB’s immunity will leave a very bad precedent…..that we are condoning corruption, that it is okay for leaders to abuse their positions for personal gain at the expense of the poor and that we are not serious with the law and the fight or committment to rid the scourge of corruption is but a pipe dream and fake promise.
We had better get serious and create a better Zambia for the future generations.
Cult Hero - February 19, 2013
14:13
You speak kabimbas language, does he screw your ass?
Lucifer jr - February 20, 2013
02:14
When I look back on the PF promise of, “IN 90 DAYS, WE WILL”… deliver a people driven constituion,
restore the Baroste Agreement,
Creat employment,
End load shedding, etc
My conclusion on the lifting of RB’s immunity is based on hate, jealous and more importantly political expediency to deflect attention fron real issues.
I believe the PF government must focus it’s energy on real issues. The failures will soon catch up and there will be no reasons to give to the public.
Lastly, please do not abuse the poor people’s name at your own conveneince.
Wenye Muleke - February 19, 2013
14:13
I wanted to know if his so called immunity lifted and proved innocent is going to get back his immunity, anyway to me this another case of Chiluba parliament lifted his immunity until his demise nothing tangible cameout to warrant landslide court victory to me it was a costly exercise, the government of Levy Mwanawasa spent alot of moneny for nothing, if RB has stolen let some one bring out the evidence to the public domain period. are you telling me if sata leave power are we going to do the same way of lifting his pamaka, come on pf we need development and job creation ngamwafilwa muleya mwe mu 2016.twanaka no kubonsa kwenu nge mbwa yamalwele. Andy
andrew mwansa - February 19, 2013
14:02
its only that mobile Toilet Sunday Chilufya Chanda who supports anything that is promoted by Government. well done guys. we need CSOs which are very objective to develop our beloved country.
conman - February 19, 2013
14:00
this witch hunt shud kam to a stop. lets move 4ward
no name - February 19, 2013
13:50
Time has come to face the law.
cyborg - February 19, 2013
13:47
Wat i see here is that.The executive is bitter.Otherwise there is no way one would investigate Ruphia when we don’t know wat he stole and how much it is.I strongly believe the cost of investigating Ruphia is more than watever he stole.It is the same as chiluba that watever he stole,his investigation cost us doulble wat he stole.Cut the crup
STAMP - February 19, 2013
13:46
This is Fred M’membe’s agenda meant to enrich him and his cartel. Can someone tell me how much was spent prosecuting Chiluba and how much was the return? The country made a loss! But Fred M’membe’s selfishness will make the country lose even more money, he wants his friends to benefit from the potentially long legal battle that would ensue. That hypocritical evil man
Jairos - February 19, 2013
13:42
RB MUST FACE THRE LAW PERIOD
green Tembo - February 19, 2013
13:35
that is not a problem sata shoould know that he is next to loose immunity even if it will take us to excume his body to be taken b4 court.
poko ya kayombo kakutemba - February 19, 2013
14:08
Membe and mutembo?
Lucifer jr - February 20, 2013
02:49
you talking of rb when the pf government has no direction zambians you r mad n i think u dont think properly.today u r talking of decentralisation hav you thought of wat it is,hw much u r going to spend.let me tel before u write think rb was a president n sata is a president.so ask him why was he saying that barotse agreement is when he was in opposition he has sorted the issue of the lozi people.he made rupiah look a fool zambians my question is do you knw sata,who is he,why is he taking us ha.
orrect oashuhood. - February 19, 2013
13:33
Bantustan By God’s design, your analysis is very good. Please keep it up. I also see no reason why we should be calling for RB’s blood when we have thieves currently sitting in government and stealing. The Office of the president should be respected by all and everyone who has held that position should be protected at all costs. Should presidents be fearing to make decisions just because some one will come and demand for the removal of their immunity? the answer is no.Mmembe and others have stolen huge sums of money from public instutitions which they do not want to pay back but these criminals have continued to move freely in the streets and even calling others thieves. These are criminals.
kimz - February 19, 2013
13:09
He who comes to equity must come with clean hands, its not not law to just say lets remove the immunity without saying what wrong was commited to neccessitate the removal of immunity.
Even the MP who will move such kind of a motion in parliament must debate with well founded facts of crimes committed. All zambians are equal before the law. Let justice prevail before partisan interest
Chris Jones - February 19, 2013
13:08
You are sharp.
Roseketty - February 19, 2013
16:55
Rb like it or not was corrupt All zambians know BUT i strongly think and feel even without what he is purported to have stolen zambia can still develop All we need is a serious govt in power REmove his immunity today,but believe me no money will be recovered instead it will be the opposite more money will be spent All a straight thinking govt can do is capitalize on what is left and bring out the best other than witch hunt We have a history in zambia, such cases have never yielded any results Kapoko,according to reports had stolen but what has he brot back after all the publicity? Nothing. Zambians lets know our priorities
maposa - February 19, 2013
13:07
I am a Zambian and I don’t know that RB was corrupt.
Kwathu - February 19, 2013
13:39
me too, this is just vandetta championed by rb’s political enemies at the post. For them this is payback time for rb. If Rb was evil like them when he was president they could have been in jail by now for the 14 billion.
DISAPPOINTED - February 19, 2013
14:09
Prove that RB was corrupt. DON’T JUST make noise like an empty tin. Only then can any well meaning Zambian, even RB himself, support the removal of immunity to allow RB clear his name. Some NGOs like TIZ are talking about picketing Parliament through demonstrations without explaining to the nation the substance in the corruption allegations against RB. There is NO TRANSPARENCY in TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL ZAMBIA’S (TIZ’s) stance on corruption allegations against RB. I can smell MALICE in their stance!
Wezi - February 19, 2013
14:03
I wholly concur with you.
yondo sister - February 19, 2013
15:04
me i dont know
king fisher - February 19, 2013
14:16
me, i know that RB was NOT corrupt. its politics of failures which those who want his immunity removed are practicing. they are choked by his achievements in 3yrs he was in power and also international name RB has
woo - February 19, 2013
14:47
You are an iddiot, you are fed that cheap propaganda by membe and you buy it.we wont follow suit.you think if membe knew what rupiah stole he would have been quite and wait for evidence from acc? Smell the gravy these band of thieves know how small minded you zambians are, they want to detract your attention from their 14 billiion debt.so stop being blind and join the chorus that they return our money back
Lucifer jr - February 20, 2013
02:33
MTN South Africa can roam here.
we just have to start roaming.
Jonh b - February 19, 2013
13:04
you who is saying lift RB’S immunity doesnt even pay tax how much have we benefited from such issues
ndololeshafye - February 19, 2013
12:57
like the likes of Kamayoyo the daily caller to any radio talk show. i really wonder what drives this man, even out of a 100 people he is going to come out calling a white dog black. i heard him on saturday on another program on radio where issues of microfinancing was being discussed, the man wants to get a loan to buy a fleet of wheel barrows and was lamenting the issue of paying collateral for him to get a loan. We dont want our tax to be wasted on people like the NCHITO brothers and MEMMBE and thats the more reason we are asking for a fairprobe of those corruption cases they are preferring against RB, and that they should not try him in the post news paper but the courts of law. fwebambi chilatukalipa when i get my pay slip, look at the tax that i have paid and then look at how it is being used, so annoying.
THINKU - February 19, 2013
15:52
Let hs imunity be removed so that he clears his name even the people who are now saying no. where saying the MMD is corrupt.push it parliament to have de imunity close removed to have direct arrest after office.
harold mwanta - February 19, 2013
12:46
Did he tell you he wanted to clear his name? ACC asking him to clear his name is failing in their duties, Instead call upon those who are saying he stole to provide evidence so that you can lift his immunity. Do not base your argument on Post Newspaper Articles.
Wale - February 19, 2013
13:19
I like your argument baba! You can not just wake up and say RB is corrupt, and lets have his immunity removed! What is the basis of that argument? Do we just act based on rumours and mere insinuations based on jealousy and ill-mannered chaps? RB is as much a citizen of this great country just as everyone else, and he needs to be respected and protected by the law. Therefore, the powers-that-be should show sufficient cause for the removal of RB’s immunity, if the exercise is to be supported by all well-meaning Zambians.
GMT - February 19, 2013
15:58
which name my friend. RB’s name is clear- Great, statesman, achiever, democrat, respected the will of the pipo, diplomatic and friendly to all, name it. it’s a great name that needs to be protected and cherished by all zambians. even Jesus, others still hate him despite dying for them.
woo - February 19, 2013
14:52
Why is Pf chickening out from quickly presenting to parliament cases against RB when they have been all the time singing that RB is a thief and abused his position.
In opposition, PF they claimed knew what RB has stolen, the PF now in govt failing to prosecute the same things they claimed knew were happening.
Mpangula Mputyu - February 19, 2013
12:45
Ok it makes sense. But its really a vicious circle, isn’t? RB refuses to be interviewed to allow ACC to assess the validity of the preliminary findings in order to see if its worthwhile to recommend to Government to go to Parliament. Mean while there is a growing number of people who are demanding evidence(including me) of RB involvement in corruption before immunity is lifted. If this ‘evidence’ is presented to the people before a prima facie case is established, then Amsterdam can jump and say “defamation”! Mean while there’s a hung parliament, and PF alone cannot marshall enough votes to lift immunity. Opposition parties may not co operate because almost all their leaders have been arrested on trumped up charges. So where do we go from here? Some body tell me!
MATRIX - February 19, 2013
12:41
Its a waist of time and resources considering the fact that it may take Chilubas turn.the people calling for it don’t mean wel.during chilubas trial facke lawyers ganged up to steal from Zambian treasurely what the said chiluba had stolen ,they told us that money would be recovered for nation.GRZ paid alot of money both locally and abroad but what did the country achieve other than losses .can we speculate that maybe it was organised crime by the so called lawyers .lets not toll the same path.run GRZ like a business ,is it profitable to run at loss?of course not,then how do we go…………
Tembo nelson - February 19, 2013
12:40
waste!!! No wonder i do not debate online
bee - February 19, 2013
12:45
Zambians under the PF are bound to set a very traumatizing precedence that will have no regard for office of president as an institution.
Fellow Zambians, can we for once be magnanimous and allow ourselves see beyond RB and have regard for the Presidency as an institution because individuals that occupy that position will always come and go.
Today it is Sata and only God knows who is next come 2016 regardless of who we want to be there.
This business of witch-hunting that the PF is promoting and has become well known must come to and end.
If RB’s immunity is lifted today because of the PF perceived criminal activities that he is alleged to have committed whilst in office so what?
Suppose after investigations and spending huge sums of tax payer’s money in futility it turns to be like the case of FJT, will PF refund the Zambians the money wasted?
In as much as it may be well intended, it has been misconstrued by the majority Zambians because of the way it has been blown out of proportion by the PF sponsored and hired guns that are calling for RB’s blood.
Should Sata also expect his immunity to be lifted when he leaves office?
The office of president is the highest office of the land and it must be held in high esteem by everyone even those that have personal scores to settle with Sata and RB and his children.
Mind you Sata has children and relatives that are doing business both in Zambia and abroad. These must not be de-franchised for the fear of being pursued by the next government.
RB must be allowed to continue enjoying his immunity and let the PF and all investigative organs of government have tangible and indisputable evidence before they embarrass themselves.
Attorney General must advise government to conduct business in a professional manner.
Bantustan By God's Design - EQTB - February 19, 2013
12:33
PF provide evidence RB stole our resources. The very day u will have my support on this one. Only on this one.
Failure to which, i will deem it a witch hunt. shooting in the dark. an academic exercise wanting to paint RB as undemocratic and a thief. PF is not happy RB is winning cudos everywhere.
Mpangula Mputyu - February 19, 2013
12:32
there z tangeable evidence on Rb’s stinking corruption.infact the evidence is so overwhelming,so we nid to present it soon to parlianment so that his immunity z lifted.
Dyke2013 - February 19, 2013
12:31
Where is the evidence you fool?
Jairos - February 19, 2013
13:36
dreamer! continue dreaming!
Wale - February 19, 2013
13:39
Iwe if RB stole even a simple pencil from state house he would today be in court pursued by your hater cnp
Suggestor - February 19, 2013
14:08
Let’s argue with facts and not POST articles? List the evidence instead of speculating.
Wenye Muleke - February 19, 2013
15:37
THE CSPR IN EASTERN PROVINCE. MY GOODNESS. WHERE DOES RUPIAH BANDA COME FROM?
MWILA TUCHINGA BANE - February 19, 2013
12:30
You idiot don’t bring tribalism in this matter. Anyway we are not surprised because you come from that part of Zambia that sees tribalism in anything not associated with their own. You are the people dividing Zambia with your ill minds. Get a life.
Fitiball - February 19, 2013
12:38
It is not about where he comes from.
Who is using the ‘four’ is it ‘two’ Luxurious vehicles President Sata found at State house?
Where they corruptly obtained?
Wenye Muleke - February 19, 2013
15:40
Let he without sin be the first to cast a stone at RB.
Umumbulu - February 19, 2013
12:30
there z tangeable & on Rb’s corruption.infact the evidence z evn stinkin,so we nid to present it soon to parlianment so that his immunity z lifted.
Dyke2013 - February 19, 2013
12:27
You are chi sakeni i know, you can’t even spell the word tangible. We want 14bn not that crop
Lucifer jr - February 20, 2013
02:41
TIZ is headed by Lee Habasonde,AVAP is still headed by Bonnie Tembo forget about Richwell Mulwani he is a dammy Director.Lee,Tembo, Greenwell are self confessed PF cadres and receives much coverage from the once mighty Post Tissue!
Where are the easteners?Chiefs and those who were close to RB?Cant they emulate luapula pipo who told levy to stop persecuting ftj?.
Cry Freedom - February 19, 2013
12:19
Is Lungu boy at the TIZ not a brother to the Minister of Home Affairs Mr Edgar Lungu? To me they look alike hence the agenda to remove Excellency Banda’s immunity.
Sikufele - February 19, 2013
12:16
Where is andeleki?avap and tiz hav faild 2 match there usefulnes 2 warant their deregistration!!!!!
professor - February 19, 2013
12:12
Let the rule of law prevail.
Kay Love - February 19, 2013
12:09
Its TIZ and AVAP who are supporting the lifting of RB immunity. With proper evidence of corruption against RB then I will support the idea.
lerato - February 19, 2013
12:00