“Judge Me By My History”: Interview with MMD President Nevers Mumba

This  interview was conducted with Nevers Mumba, President of the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD), on Friday 16 November 2012, exclusive to Zambia Reports.

You’ve been president of the MMD for nearly six months now. What is different about the party now, and what are your objectives for the future?

To answer that question one has to appreciate the state the party was in when I took over. We had just lost an election, our president had stepped down, and many of our members were being pursued by what would turn out to be false corruption accusations. As the party was demoralized, the first thing to do was to address the malaise.

Among the first things we did was to take the party into retreat, taking a hard brutal look and who we are, how we can perform better, and what it would take to give Zambians a new Movement for Multiparty Democracy. We came up with a number resolutions and established internal committees to address the issues and rebrand the party.

A lot of people did not think we would were going to survive the loss. Some people composed a song they were going to sing for our funeral as a political party. But we survived the loss of the general election. We survived the stepping down of our president. We survived the national convention where we had seven presidential candidates, and a lot of people that that after the convention the party would be split seven ways. But now the party is more united now than it has been in a long time.

So we are seeing a new vibrant enthusiasm among Zambians who have a lot of hope invested in the party.

You announced earlier this week that you intend to appeal against the election results in Mufumbwe in which the PF candidate Stephen Masumba defeated the MMD. What evidence do you have of irregularities?

I think it was very clear that the Patriotic Front did not have any grip in that province, and particularly, in that constituency. There was absolutely no way humanly way possible they could have won that election under a free and fair vote. In the last election, between the MMD and the UPND we had 14,000 votes compared to just 500 for Patriotic Front. Even if the people of Mufumbwe had had a dramatic change of heart, it would still be impossible.

They knew that, we knew that, and the people knew that. So we had to come to a place where we were just guarding our vote. We noticed that about two days before the elections, the whole scenario changed.

About 25 pick up-vehicles arrived to Mufumbwe, going to visit all the polling stations, where they began handing out money to voters using the register. In fact we have video evidence of these PF representatives, handing out cash before and after a resident would vote for them. This video evidence is with our lawyers and will be presented in court.

This is something I have never seen before. I have been involved in politics for 15 years, both as an opposition leader and a government official, and I have never before seen such a flagrant abuse of an electoral system as what was happening in Mufumbwe.

In addition to the vote buying, President Michael Sata visited Mufumbwe and threatened the voters that if they did not elect his candidate, that he would move all development to other provinces. The electoral commission is very clear on this point, and it was quite unfortunate to see the president sink that low to try to generate political mileage.

The government has blamed the MMD for the death of a PF cadre in Rufunsa – what is your response to this?

I think it is very unfortunate that the president chose to mention MMD and UPND in this fracas, because according to our investigations we can prove that there were no MMD members anywhere near that place when it happened.

The story which we have, which has also been confirmed by police and witnesses, is that the PF cadres were given money to share by the leaders, which caused a disagreement. Apparently as they were driving away in their own truck, this particular person fell out of the vehicle, and was armed, from the report we have received. And as there had been many fights out there that day, the villagers allegedly assaulted him, and they may have performed an instant justice on him.

As long as I have been president of the MMD, there has not been on incidence of our members taking up an offensive weapon against someone else, or deliberately attacking other people. I have made this absolutely clear to party members that violence is not going to be part of our agenda. For us to be mentioned in Rufunsa is a very desperate ploy by the PF to dodge responsibility for the violence they have displayed over the years.

President Sata’s history is that of violence – this thing of using machetes, he is the one who introduced it in this country when he was National Secretary of MMD. It is very alien to me; my background is that of a reverend, and I would never delve into anything to do with violence. We distance ourselves from those accusations and we are very upset they have arrested our leaders and put them in cells on trumped up charges. We think that the PF must face themselves and take responsibility, that violence is in their DNA, and if we don’t stop it, we might be losing more lives in the future.

At present, at least nine MMD members have been given jobs as deputy ministers under the PF government, and as such, have voted in unison with PF in the parliament. Others have simply switched parties, such as Stephen Masumba. Can a party function when its members appear to act on behalf of another party?

The MMD has made its position very clear. From the word go, we felt that the president’s intention was to injure democracy in the country, and to derail the democratic process which has run so well since 1991.

His goal is to become the almighty party, in the hope that he could build a replica of the one-party state. When he realized that he did not have the numbers in parliament to push through legislation that we felt was not good for Zambia, he realized that the only way to do it is to start to poach members from the opposition.

He targeted those members who had cases in the courts of law, whose seats were being petitioned by that same government. He went to those same people, who were very vulnerable and unsure of what the results of their cases would be, and he said ‘if you work for us we may drop those cases in court.’ So a lot of them wanted to stabilize themselves economically, others were weak-hearted and decided to take the bite of that bait.

What it means now is that the president could have approached me. He could have said, ‘Nevers, I need some help. I don’t think we have enough good material amongst our members, but I think your team has material that we can use to build this country.’

We could have negotiated with him and provided him with one or several different people, but we could have agreed over how to operate. We would agree that when there is a bill in the house, and the party believes this is the way we should go, that those members of parliament should vote with us, because they are our members of parliament.

But he didn’t want to discuss that. His intention is only to build his numbers, so that the constitution that is going to come can be shot down, only to allow those closest who he feels will work in the interests of the Patriotic Front.

What are your instructions to your MPs? Are they not allowed to work with the PF, or if they do, they must retain loyalty to the party?

Well I think we are dealing with a very tight walk on this issue.

Our position is that it is out of order for our members of parliament to work in the PF government, especially when the government and president is not willing to talk to us or respect us, that we discuss the conditions of how they are going to operate. He is confusing the MPs themselves, he is confusing his own members, and he is confusing his constituencies. They are nowhere, and it is very, very unfortunate that he is failing to engage us on such a serious matter.

Our position is that we have told our members to shun these appointments. Many more have been asked to join the PF party, and they have refused. Even one who heard me speak out strongly on this, resigned the appointment and came back. But others are weak, and some have cases in court, and are afraid of taking that stand.

How is it going working along with the UPND? Do foresee any possibility of an alliance in the future, or are there fundamental ideological differences between the two parties?

The way we have handled our relationship I think we have used the common sense approach. The common sense approach entails that we work together over a period of time on national issues that affect the broader population of people – for instance, we have cooperated in bye elections before, where they have not fielded a candidate or where we have not fielded a candidate, in order to strengthen the opposition base and heighten the chances of the opposition winning the elections.

In the house itself, there are many areas of cooperation, for instance, over the debate of the budget. There are a lot of areas where we feel that the budget falls short of what is required by the Zambian people, and the two parties work together on those matters. We are also working together on the draft constitution, on clauses like 50+1 or the running mate, the government does not want it but the Zambian people want it. So we are going to unite on those important matters, both inside the house and outside the house.

Are we going to work together in terms of us forming one party? I think it is too early for us to make any statement to that effect. I am just happy that so far we are agreeing on these basics, because that’s how you build a relationship.

If you were to meet a Zambian citizen out in the street who has doubts about you, what do you say to them to convince why you are fit to be President of Zambia?

I would like for Zambians to look at my history and my commitment to my country.

My background is that I have been in public life for 27 years, first as a national church leader that worked with all Zambians. And that is a history that proves how we raised that Church from nothing to become an international organization. It shows that we can build something from nothing, something that became internationally renowned. It was a message of hope for Zambia, a message of morality and integrity that I have brought with me into the political arena.

And I think that whatever I have been given to do in the past, I have done it to the best of my ability and I have done well. I think that Zambians know who Nevers Mumba is. I should be judged by my fruit and by my history, and I am glad to the have the opportunity to serve my people in the way that I have.

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57 Responses to "“Judge Me By My History”: Interview with MMD President Nevers Mumba"

  1. Kanso  November 20, 2012 at 23:43

    Nevers Mumba for President 2016. Young and vibrant, articulate and so far only one wife.

  2. Revolutionary  November 20, 2012 at 23:38

    Viva Dr Mumba, if Michael Sata with his back ground can be president, I certainly don’t doubt you.

  3. Mpongwe  November 20, 2012 at 20:43

    Pastor Mumba, we thank God for the stand you set in Zambia. You will remembered for the passion you shown for this country (ZAMBIA SHALL BE SAVED) You were a beacon, and you did not let the flagship down. Some people may not love you for the spiritual battle you put up but we are so proud of you. Insults will not bother us so much, because you put a marker people have struggled to reach. May the LORD GOD through his son Jesus Christ whom you have saved without being ashamed remember you. We heard so much about the Canada story, fortunately I listened so carefully to the Auditor General speaking on ZNBC television, you do not need to answer anything in defence, may the detractors go back and watch that interview again.

  4. Tom  November 20, 2012 at 18:35

    Kk,Chiluba,and many more bloggers profi lied that Sata micheal is not presidential material but were is he today?Head of start plot 1.Nevers Mumba is a Zambian and he has every right to who he wants,pastor,president even a cadre.Now those who are saying Nevers will never be president have become God……hhaaaa.If insulting late president Mwanawasa had worked(carbage) then Nevers will never be president.I have known Nevers for a long time and I think he has done more than the people you are praising.

  5. Mwine Munshi  November 20, 2012 at 18:12


  6. Dr David  November 20, 2012 at 17:59

    The post newspaper is reincarnated in people who think Nevers can’t rule Zambia. Its the post who said Sata is not presidential material but today they r feasting their vomit with him. Their are no qualities for a president only qualifications. If u feel disqualified, don’t add others. Nevers’ success speaks for itself and his failures are not final. As long as he is breathing, there is still hope for him. Dr Nevers is still available on the pulpit. Its just that u don’t go to church. Why tell him to go to the pulpit and u fail to GBM to go to business, Kabimba to law, Sampa to football house and others? Otherwise you can’t stop a man whose time has come!

  7. Dr David  November 20, 2012 at 17:52

    The post newspaper is reincarnated in people who think Nevers can’t rule Zambia. Its the post who said Sata is not presidential material but today they r feasting their vomit with him. Their are no qualities for a president only qualifications. If u feel disqualified, don’t add others. Nevers’ success speaks for itself and his failures are not final. As long as he is breathing, there is still hope for him. Dr Nevers is still available on the pulpit. Its just that u don’t go to church. Why tell him to go to the pulpit and u fail to GBM to go to business, Kabimba to law, Sampa to football house and others?

  8. Zodiac  November 20, 2012 at 17:29

    nevers can do better no doubt. where on earth do you see a press aide to a president making serious announcements on behalf of the president like what george has been doing?

  9. bisonga bimana  November 20, 2012 at 15:47

    All of you bloggers who critise Nevers Mumba are shallow minded, easily forget and think in reverse gear. You critisized and said so many bad words about Levy Mwanawasa b4 he bacame presdo, you called him cabbage, including Mr Michael Sata himself but it was the man he called cabbage that God used to save him from heart failure by transporting him to SA on government cost.
    My advise is don’t be so critical of Nevers he may be your president tomorrow if God wants even before the next election comes. In Kaonde we say “bintu bi kingya”(things change) It’s only God who knows the heart of man. Man looks from the outside but God knows from man ffrom the inside. Zambia can be ruled by anyone who God chooses. Love your leaders and pray for them all.

  10. The Eyes of an Eagle  November 20, 2012 at 14:37

    Nikuv thank you for accepting that Education is no use to you.Anyway fima Party cadres ifyo mwaba you fail to read between lines .when I said that Sata defeated RB and HH soundly through the almighty hand of God ati awe Nevers Mumba teti awine in 2016.Nikuv can you see that little education is dangerous and suicidal.Ifikopo fyaletweba ku sukulu ati isukulu lyacabe-cabe .Nomba can you see that you are failing to argue intelligently on the site apart from your usual kaponya English-with words like idiot,blind ,fool.Go back to school BUGGER! Ee Imwe mwebatila ati icisushi nacinunkila and yet icisushi icakwa boss nacinunka.You are the same characters who were cheating KK ,fTJ ,RB and now you are doing the same to HE Mr.Sata. We will not allow you now.Sata is President for all and we have every right to voice-out if things are not okay at times.Ala iwe ci Nikuv!!I rest my case.

  11. back bencher  November 20, 2012 at 14:00

    judge me by my history of failures.
    Artisan ZCCM:failed
    President NCC:failed
    President reformed Party:failed
    Republican Vice President:failed

    • Chief analyst  November 20, 2012 at 14:23

      Backbencher you are spot on! Its indeed a history of failure and we can judge properly! The flock abandoned, party followers left stranded, power hungry veep sucked…..

    • mwata  November 20, 2012 at 14:39

      hammer the bugger

    • Mubwe Pakulila  November 20, 2012 at 16:50

      Ambassador to Canada: Failed

    • Baracus  November 20, 2012 at 17:45

      Very Good take.

    • Zaza  November 22, 2012 at 02:07

      You Pa Fwaka cadres

  12. Our Dear Leader Sata  November 20, 2012 at 12:20

    Too many words, but no substance……

  13. lwando  November 20, 2012 at 11:51

    It is amazing that Nevers thinks people can appreciate him from the past, Yes some will and others won’t that’s life.
    I think as a Man of God, God gave him an opportunity to be dignified among Man and he failed. Now God has given him another opportunity in political arena, let’s wait and see what happens to the MMD.

    Wish him all the best.


  14. Money Changer  November 20, 2012 at 11:38

    Nevers will never rule Zambia.

    • mando*  November 20, 2012 at 15:20

      time will tell my friend

    • Zaza  November 22, 2012 at 02:07

      Do you own Zambia???

  15. James Mwepa  November 20, 2012 at 11:27

    Dr Nevers Mumba’s life is interesting. No matter how many times he fails, he still rises up to continue with his vision. Anyone acting out of personal greedy or/and ambition could have given up by now. What is it then that makes him so resilient? In Acts 5 the disciples where being persecuted. Gamaliel said , “Men of Israel, take care what you do with these men. For before these days Theudas arose, giving himself out to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him; but he was slain and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After him Judas the Galilean arose in the days of the census and drew away some of the people after him; he also perished, and all who followed him were scattered. So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this undertaking is of men, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!”

    if what Dr Mumba is doing is from man, it will fail. But if it from God he will succeed. Watch this space.

  16. DSC  November 20, 2012 at 11:12

    Mr Mumba God still want you to go back to Church as a preacher man that’s why things are not going well on your side . Just humble yourself to God once more agan. Stop politics. I really liked your preaching, Sir . I can still support you if you go back to preaching.

    • bobo  November 20, 2012 at 17:03

      Who said things are not going well with Dr. Mumba? And who says that a man of God cannot be a politician. Zambia needs such a one because too many things have really gone wrong. I also notice that many people do not know Dr Mumba very well. He is not a failure, he has scored and done very well in many areas. The church he founded (victory ministries international) is still very active. He raised many pastors who are pastoribg churches locally and abroad. From time and again he is invited as guest speaker in high profile meetings worldwide. Success is determined by the people you raise and they take over from you while you aee still alive.not like many founders who would want to die as founders. Let the man of God run for political office after all he beat all the 6 other mmd presidential aspirants. Bravo Ba Dr. Mumba keep it up

  17. COONDE  November 20, 2012 at 09:41


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  19. The Eyes of an Eagle  November 20, 2012 at 08:56

    NIKUV your name is associated with deceit and thuggery in case you didn’t know.From your poor English grammar one would no doubt easily tell
    that you are as usual a Party Cadre with little education.UNZA and CBU are within Zambia ,get there and access better education.Once you do that ,you will know how to avoid smearing people with false allegations.Where you the middleman between Nevers and Dora?.Secondly,which brothel is this where Nevers stays.Please give us the name of the brothel.For your own information Mumba has a personal house in the most powerful nation in the world-USA.You also tell us which section in the zambian constituttion that bars pastors from participating in politics.If thieves and conmen participate in politics.What is wrong with a Pastor doing the same ? If God has destined Nevers Mumba for plot one no Man will ever stop him.We had so many doubting Thomases-including Silvia Masebo who were saying that Sata will never ever become President of Zambia.But what happened on 20th septmber 2011? God through the people of zambia brought in Sata who soundly defeated RB and HH.If God decides that Nevers,Sata ,Milupi ,HH or Milupi be President of zambia in 2016,No human being will stop that. I rest my case

    • Nikuv  November 20, 2012 at 10:41

      Your name shud read “blind eyes of an eagle”coz ur failin to c dat God cannot make nevers mumba president coz he has departed from his face and only a fool like u can c substance in him.how do u compare this joker nevers with his H.E Mr Micheal Chilufya Sata ur a pure undiluted idiot,i for one dont need education but i need inspiration coz if i was educated i wud b a damned fool like you

  20. Hakainde Hichilema  November 20, 2012 at 08:51

    Pastor,president mumba, Sir, do you remember in 1996 when you went to chinsali to fill in your papers as a PF parliamentary candidate, the people of chinsali,your home area chased you in favored of little non mulenga. nomba apa mulefwaya bukateka,you are just a pulpit conman

    • persona  November 20, 2012 at 15:51

      there was no PF in 1996…give us proper data naimwe…

  21. his excellence  November 20, 2012 at 08:34

    well, that was like an interlecture would respond to questions well done,bt a better question still unanswered the promises you are making how would you implement them or rather bring them to life.

  22. bwalya  November 20, 2012 at 08:32

    It is amazing that Nervers thinks people can appreciate him from his past. If he says he can build something out of nothing what made him disband Reform Party and earlier on the NCC going nowhere? Zambians, you need to work with Nervers to know his real character. He is selfish and only does things to advance his personal life and when it fails, he switches camp. Wait and see what happens to MMD, it shall soon go into oblivion. Believe you me. Ask him whom he carried along with to MMD when he left Reform Party apart from his relative Malama Sokoni, nobody….
    The man became a pastor thinking it will help him woo people to vote him into republican presidency but God ses which heart is true and that which is not true. He uses people including poor cadres to his benefit. Nervers will not go anywhere.


    • Kapotwe Tugiligili  November 20, 2012 at 08:45

      Ba bwalya mattole wenu

      • tiye nabo  November 20, 2012 at 09:36

        Ba kapotwe you are insulting bwalya coz hes speaking da truth.dnt suport blindly as you are supportng yo blind failer nevers.

      • Our Dear Leader Sata  November 20, 2012 at 12:18

        no brains

    • Mubanga  November 20, 2012 at 11:00

      I would rather work with Nevers than with the Serpent! Nevers is more organised and reasonable. Not this dictator and conman!

  23. Judah  November 20, 2012 at 08:11

    Nevers is strong.He can face any challenge yet he will still stand.Man of God you have what it takes to be a president.No matter what it takes you will rule this nation

  24. davido  November 20, 2012 at 07:53

    True Doc, sata has no morals, he fathered kids left,centre, right mona nibila

    • tjay  November 20, 2012 at 12:36

      limbi naiwe apo walikwata konse utubana so ichongo

  25. Supporter  November 20, 2012 at 07:46

    Viva Nevers ! Viva

  26. Kapoli no plan  November 20, 2012 at 07:44

    Are sure the Pastor wanted to hammer Dora? Interesting!

    • Nikuv  November 20, 2012 at 10:56

      Am very sure my bro,right now nevers and dora r not in talkin terms afta de fracas at de retreat and most senior mmd members have dis associated themselves from de pastor afta the disgraceful act but they somewhow managed 2 convince dora to withdraw de complaint

  27. Holy Angel  November 20, 2012 at 07:43

    Pastor Mumbwe will not get anywhere. Your history is rotten and nothing worth talking about.

  28. church goer  November 20, 2012 at 07:41

    Bishop Imakando, Bishop Nwaka, Bishop Maambo and all pentecostal bishops and apostles can convice their flock if they belived in Mumba’s party . But do they?

  29. church goer  November 20, 2012 at 07:37

    The Pastor is not even liked by his own flock. After spending years converting people to join the pentescostals surely if all these pentes belive in him they could by now be giving him support. The Pentecostal churches across the country are always full on sundays. But come to politics non of them believe in this pastor because they all know his true colors. Nevers must firstly reflect on why his own flock does not want him.

  30. kebby  November 20, 2012 at 07:31

    Bobo, it seems you the only one who does not know the Pastor. May be you do not live in Zambia. For all of us who live in Zambia we know the pastors and all his past and indeed we are judging him by his past.–Failure and deceitful. Self centered .

  31. Ntwenokane  November 20, 2012 at 07:20

    Nsengaland with love, you are having a laugh. What difficult questions here? Those were cheap questions. Nevers should have been asked to explain how he was coaxed to accept an appointment as Veep when he was leader of an opposition party. This former pastor is an opportunist of the worst kind. Mark my words Nevers will never be elected as president of this country unless he comes in from the back door which is possible being an opportunist that he is.

    This was a cheap interview!

  32. bobo  November 20, 2012 at 06:48

    @nikuv you are a lier. You have no clue as to who Dr. Mumba is.please fellow bloggers if you have no idea about a matter its better not to comment because you just show your ignorance. Good interview indeed and inteligent responses keep it up nervers. My advice to you is that as a party (mmd) compile any mp who your party sponsors for any election sign a bonded contract of 5 years to serve the party or pay half of the mps gratuity. This will stop these mps from being bought for money.

  33. The Eyes of an Eagle  November 20, 2012 at 06:37

    Nevers if God has destined you for plot one it will come to pass.No man will ever block your vision as God’s hand is mightier.We had a lot of doubting Thomases about Sata.Now Sata is Republican President and defeated RB who was so overconfident of winning. But God told the people of zambia to reject RB and HH .Some party cadres with little education will discourage you saying that you abandoned your Church/and flock for politics.Fortunately,there’s no where in the zambian constitution which says Pastors are not allowed to participate in politics/any elections.If thieves are allowed to take part in politics ;Why not a man of God? Go ahead its your constitutional right.Let the people do the whaffling here and there,please don’t mind them.Fima Cadres ifyo fyaba ukulanda-landa sana anga fyashetako ama brown enevolopes ne fibrick ifya shake-shake.I rest my case.

  34. Nikuv  November 20, 2012 at 06:10

    Chase that homeless crazy bald head out town,this Ex christian is not a politician worse stil presidential material.So this crook wants us 2 judge him based on his history of failure and such failure’s include:fallin from grace,the shortest serving veep,failure 2 honour the pledge of keeping orphans in the riverside house but instead turning it into his personal abode,failure 2 buy furniture at victory ministries but drivin an expensive mercedes,failing 2 provide shelter for his family but opting 2 stay at a brothel,failure 2 refute allegations that he made some advances on dora siliya whilst at the mmd retreat,failure 2 support his illigitimate son ephraim matalange etc…nevers had vowed to frustrate de Pf govt but has ended up being frustrated coz de Pf is too strong for him

    • Bobby Digital  November 20, 2012 at 07:27

      Well said Nikuv.

      • mwata  November 20, 2012 at 08:26

        grade 12 drop out division 4

        • Praiseworthy  November 20, 2012 at 17:29

          Sir your friend is a failure and atleast is known. What have you got to show to the nation? Other other than your family and friends, who else?

          Let’s look within before we speak without……..

    • Kapotwe Tugiligili  November 20, 2012 at 08:47

      Ba Nikuv, i wish i knew you name. But for what you have said. Chikkala chenu. Uyu muntu wakwa lesa mattole wenu.

      • push  November 20, 2012 at 09:22

        No insults ba Kapotwe just debate,some of us are allegic to insults.

  35. from nsengaland with love  November 20, 2012 at 06:05

    Good mature responses to difficult questions. When is ukwa being interviewed? He used to literally camp at community radio stations for walk in or imposed interviews. Has he forgotten his friends? At least he remembered frank mutubila and frank bwalya

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