Dual citizenship – Zambians in Diaspora thankful but concerned

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Mr Editor,
It is always an honor to be accorded an opportunity through this highly influential online paper to express views that reflect the thoughts of the diaspora

We ,the Zambians in the entire diaspora, highly applaud and congratulate the delegates at the National Convention on Drafting the Constitution for retaining the Dual Citizenship clause, a step in the right direction of acquiring citizenship of one country and still maintaining the other. Your hardwork will not go unnoticed and your thoughtful discernment that investment by Zambians abroad will be triggered when this clause is approved is not only a wise ruling but a revolutionary one. Once again we say thank you. We are smiling
BUT…….. We are not rejoicing, for the following reasons

1) We have a President and a Veep that have ,in strong terms, dismissed dual citizenship as merely an unworkable system that will not benefit Zambia. What assurance do we have that the two most powerful personalities will not try to stop its progress by veto or other methods?  We request that President Sata respects the new developments concerning this clause and support BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA have supported it. Failing to support this clause by the President will further alienate him from a people that so clearly supported him. Mr President, we appeal to you : Look around you, everyone else supports dual citizenship, so here is a chance to make history, DO NOT DEFLATE THE MOMENTUM. Members of Parliament, DO NOT DEFLATE THE MOMENTUM.

2) As much as we thank UPND  for supporting the clause,  we are not hearing or recieving support from the rest of the Opposition. Mr Elias Chipimo has been an excellent friend of the diaspora but we do not hear much of an audible voice from him supporting us on this issue. The clause has reached a critical stage, and its imperative that we make an appeal to Dr Nevers Mumba ,himself who was a member of the diaspora at one time, and other opposition leadersto help influence Sata on this constititional article. If this clause is not approved, we will not have much faith in the current leadership nor will we put much confidence in the opposition whose voice has always been faint concerning Dual Citizenship.

3) We do not wish to throw a dry spell on the dialogue of this draft Constitution. The dialogue has been positive, forward looking and extremely futurustic. We are concerned because there is an annoying reluctance by President Sata to hastily become progressive on issues like dual citizenship, and maybe the 50+1 theory and the Runner up clause but the facts are that if the President is not ready for these clauses, well Zambia is and we want to march on with progressive ideas not outdated paranoia. We appeal to the President once again – please support the Dual Citizenship clause.

Sidique Gondwe Geloo

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54 Responses to Dual citizenship – Zambians in Diaspora thankful but concerned

  1. and I speak for myself here too.

    Toms Shoes Sale - April 16, 2013
    20:10

  2. I am British, but was born in Zambia a long time ago to British parents, who lived here for over 15 years. We left when I was small, but I am back because Zambia has always been in my heart. Do I want Dual Nationality…not sure. I think I would be happy with the simple right to live and work here in the country that means so much to me. But others have a much stronger claim to Citizenship.

    I just want to clarify a few misconceptions. There are many so I discuss just a few here:-

    The first – Those who are against Dual Nationality seem to think that if it is provided the recipients will only benefit. This cannot be true. With their newly found Right will come Responsibilities, the delivery of which can only benefit the majority.

    The second – you need Dual Nationality to appropriate land or mineral rights in Zambia. This is false. Very few of the major agribusiness or mine owners actually live in Zambia.

    A Third – a flux of immigration into a country causes locals to become unemployed. Not true. Why? Because most Diaspora Zambians with Dual Nationality would be starting businesses not seeking employment. This would stimulate employment.

    And here’s the clincher – Four: The increased linkages between diaspora Zambians and the communities, land and businesses they left and the communities and networks they live in now, will provide for a much better quality of investment than that provided by international capital funds be they Chinese or Indian, European or American. Why? Because the financial influx will be directed with a granularity, sensibility and level of Responsibility, that is otherwise lacking from a non-citizen investor. It won’t just all be about minerals and land. And finally because financial returns will be reinvested rather than extracted from the country.

    Finally, take a leaf out of the UK’s learning experience having relaxed all borders constraints and allowing East European migrants to work. Lower levels of unemployment and higher levels of productivity compared to France that did not. Add to his a vibrant multi-national community with active links to the rest of the World and you have a recpe for a 21st Century Economy. Alternatively, its possible to go the way of North Korea and isolation, protectionism and …..well, enough said.

    born in Zed - April 16, 2013
    14:59

  3. A person, animal or thing can only be in one place at a time. You belong to where you are at all times. How can one be a citizen of Cuba and Zambia, China and Zambia, India and Zambia, Italy and Zambia, Russia and Zambia, etc? Where does one’s loyalty lie? Being in the diaspora is like going to hunt money and a good life. If you “kill” enough, you come back home. If life is best in the bush of money, you relocate and stay for good. Dual citizenship is bad and must not be allowed in Zambia. You want your taxes to be split!

    Life - April 16, 2013
    13:24

  4. The world is becoming a global village, if zambia looses this chance, then we loose on making Zambia a true democracy and even economic development. You can not develop an economy in a box alone, open it to the entire world and you will regreat to note that within a few yaers you become a world economic power. The growth of economy is about numbers just like democracy is. Let us go with the Dual citizenship all the way.

    Rusco - April 15, 2013
    09:28

  5. viva delegates..we want it coming..its only then that we shall vote wisely..hahahaha..we shall be allowed to vote form the diaspora..

    Ngilingindo - April 15, 2013
    08:22

  6. My dota who was born in Germany of a Zambian mum and German dad DOES NOT automatically qualify to become a Zambian citizen. At 16 years she acquired a so called ALIEN NRC that she should keep it till she will be 21 years old then she will decide what she wants to become-a German or a Zambian. My dota is both-she loves mum and loves dad so she cant say she will only be German or only be Zambian a dual citizenship will be the ideal solution for us. What should have happened was I should have come to Zambia in my 7 months pregnancy to give birth here so my child can qualify to be Zambian…how crazy! Since she wasnt born here she doesnt qualify to be Zambian. DUAL CITIZENSHIP IS WELCOME IN MY FAMILY

    Mmembe - April 15, 2013
    07:03

    • I can relate to your story… mine is similar to yours! Let them bring on the Dual Citizenship.

      Afrodeutche - April 15, 2013
      09:13

  7. Whether the PF that are very much on this blog, likes it or not, the people of Zambia have said yes to Duel citizenship! Therefore, President Sata will listen to the people becoz he always does!

    Inonge - April 15, 2013
    06:32

  8. I see a lot of ignorance on the Issue of D Citizenship. I wish these fellow Zambians who do not have an opportunity yet to see what the world is like beyond Zambia.Perhaps that will give them a better understanding on how other countries are doing far much better than zed. A number of African Countries who have embraced DC are doing a lot better.Research before you pull the idea down.

    Gumu Gumu - April 15, 2013
    02:21

  9. Zed has been sleeping for a long time . I see it is woking up now. Kudos to the delegates- very wise move.

    bobo - April 15, 2013
    01:04

  10. Dual Citizenship – Once a Zambian always a Zambian. To all Zambians in the Diaspora holding other citizenships, do not despair, hold on to them, it is God given. We will push hard to have Dual Citizenship passed and legalized in Zambia. Zambia will benefit greatly, and Zambians with a single (Zambian) citizenship only will benefit through you via the doors you can open abroad as a result of the two citizenships you hold. We love you all. No matter what, you will always be Zambians. We are extremely proud of you and grateful to you all in the Diaspora for flying our great country’s flag high. In time we will all be pulled closer together, than ever before. God bless you all.

    Talismann - April 14, 2013
    21:35

    • Thank you, we’ll do. I wish the politicians had your brains.

      Afrodeutche - April 15, 2013
      09:14

  11. I personally do not support dual nationality because it is meant for people who wish to eat with both hands. Just wait and see if it will bring any benefit to Zambia

    Mzee Hekima - April 14, 2013
    20:28

    • Pure ignorance.

      The Truth - April 14, 2013
      23:19

    • Its not about benefits its about contribution. You sit around in Zambia waiting for the Government to do something for you. We only want to give back, share our skills and knowledge. Diaspora are givers not takers. I can leave my money in the DOW JONES stock market abroad or bring it to Zambia and invest it in the country. Its a no brainer people.

      MartyUSA - April 15, 2013
      06:00

      • I think that dual citizenship should only be available to those born of parents, one being Zambian and the other not. Those who make the conscious choice to acquire the nationality of another country should certainly bear the consequences. If the only argument is investment that avenue is still available to all of us even now. Perhaps we could be provided with statistics on how much ‘former Zambians’ before changing allegiance invested in Zambia.

        enero - April 15, 2013
        11:11

  12. Duality will not only help the diapsora but Zambia too

    sidique - April 14, 2013
    19:05

  13. Are fred membe, paul kasonkomona or mutembo Nchito holders of dual nationality? These are suspected faggots but are Zambians through out!!

    mk - April 14, 2013
    18:51

  14. For your information, I attended as a delegate of the Sectors Group Convention (General Principals Sector) of the Technical Committee on Drafting the Zambian Constitution that took place from 3-5th April, 2013 and we successfully debated for the introduction of Dual Nationality for the following reasons:
    1. Dual Nationality is meant to benefit Zambians who are abroad and not foreigners wishing to become Zambians.
    2. It was further agree there would be no criteria or category of Zambians.
    3. There are sensitive jobs in the Diaspora which cannot be given to Zambian (and vice versa is true)!
    4. Currently the law states that once you acquire citizenship of another country, you lose Zambian citizenship immediately. Dual Nationality caters for this category.
    5. A foreign spouse married to a Zambian citizen would have to have lived in Zambia for 10 years prior to his/her application to qualify as a Zambia.
    6. Children born abroad of a Zambian parent/s automatically acquires Zambian citizenship at birth.
    I may wish to add the fact that even now, we have a delegate at the on-going national convention a representing the Diaspora that is being held at Mulungushi. Of the 10 provinces in Zambia only Northern Province voted against Dual Citizenship

    MB - April 14, 2013
    18:01

  15. MK and Chuulu, am not as dull as you think, am in diaspora like you now but i have a choice to make between being british or being Zambian. If you made your choice i respect it but make no mistake, i have a wider understanding of the implictions of the dual citizen clause. yours is like thinking inside the box, while mine is way outside the box. If i may ask you, what is the proportion of people whose interest you are advocating for? tame your tongue as your tone sounds rather unpallable.you cant fit a square peg in the round hole. the case is closed.

    simbwindibwi - April 14, 2013
    16:39

  16. very dull and kaponya like continue your cadre kalingalinga mentality please thats why you are poor

    riddick - April 14, 2013
    15:53

  17. If In acted the following clause be included: only Zambians carrying the green National registration cards ,thier children( supported by birth certificates ) and legal wifes (supported by a marriage cert) be eligible to apply for dual citizenship.

    The truth - April 14, 2013
    14:36

  18. That’s the way to go

    kgaditse - April 14, 2013
    14:21

  19. Dual is the way. i pray it goes through zambia shall benefit

    kgaditse - April 14, 2013
    14:20

    • how will Zambia benefit?

      umujerabo - April 15, 2013
      09:24

  20. How do you expect Sata to endorse dual citizenship when he has no clue how the economy works? Zambians are the most stupid people under the sun, they will give a chance to a Chinise before they can trade with their own kind. If you want to know how dual citizenship benefits the country look at countries that have dual citizenshp on their books. Sata will endorse same sex marriage before he gives you dual citizenship! Ala ubupuba will cost you development.

    Expartriate - April 14, 2013
    13:20

    • I for one take great exception to being insulted and seeing fellow Zambians being insulted by people like you. You are getting too ‘close to the knuckle’ if you know what I mean. If you have a point to make do it without insulting. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about and thus are irrelevant on this blog.

      Zon der Van - April 14, 2013
      15:03

      • I agree with you a lot people only visit this site once and never return due to the degree of the insults, lucky of maturity and constrictiveness, which to me puts off a lot of sensitive people, The Zambian Watch dog is in the right direction but the bloggers also have a role to play. Whatever the post needs have a basis and not just insults. With this into consideration the bloggers will reach record numbers and have a ripple effect

        RB1 - April 15, 2013
        09:00

  21. There appears to be a lot of ignorance or should I say Spight from a lot of people who think that being a shop keeper, “cleaning old peoples bums” and working in the underground or McDonalds is demeaning. At least I don’t spend time drinking into oblivion or sleeping with married men to get to where I need to get to in life.

    Take a look at the lack of work ethic in Zed, laziness, dependency and bring me down mentality of a lot of Zedians. I have no shame in saying I worked in a factory printing T-shirts, worked as a carer wiping bums, and despite the back stabbing by some zedians managed to get educted and now a professional I could send you my references so you could see what people who know me have to say about me.

    What is my point? Well ask my relatives who I have supported in shcool, paid school fees for their children and put food on their tables for 18 years, Will you say I’m selfish? With the little six-pence I earn I still help my family and realtives out. What are you doing for anyone and yet you diss Dual Citizenship like an ignorant Saducee or Pharisee? Muchinje imwe ma poko. Jealousy wont get you anywhere ask Hamman when you meet him.

    chuulu - April 14, 2013
    13:07

  22. People already have more than one passport.I had a friend who worked for a Zambian of asian origin who had more than 6 passports.

    Bandat t - April 14, 2013
    12:04

    • you are such a fool, why don’t you report your friend to the police….cant you use your brain for once. If someone has more that 2 passports, it means there is something fishy going on in their lives. iT more likely the person is a criminal or is involved in some illegal businesses like drug trafficking. Help the police fight such vices in our country if you truly want a better Zambia. The police or law enforcers depend on you. eg I personally don’t tolerate nonsense. if I know a person forged certificates I report such people to relevant authorities. Be vigilant for your country. if we all do the right thing, we can make a difference

      mambala - April 14, 2013
      13:43

    • Careful before you report him; first is his name Jason Bourne?

      Moses - April 15, 2013
      02:39

  23. The Diaspora has two types of people intellectuals and non intellectuals, this article seems to appeal to intellectuals, non intellectuals wont appreciate this article and will express a lot of put downs.

    Analysis - April 14, 2013
    11:59

  24. Without Dual Citizenship, then its NOT a people driven because the diaspora’s requests have been neglected.
    It can only be a people driven constitution when every single citizen is accommodated in, aspired with their wishes.
    For now, rejoice!

    Kay Love - April 14, 2013
    11:56

  25. Zambians in the diaspora are selfish guys who do not look at the other side of the coin. I believe that if this clause were to be inacted, alot of people especially from West, East, Central and North Africa would want to come and become Zambians. I hope you know that Zambians are generally peaceful and good people hence no record of war, strife or terorism! but other African countries are synonymous with these vices with social and cultural orientations quite different from us. whereas they seem to believe the best way to solve a problem is use of force yet still others cannot co-exist with people of different faiths and religion and are always blasting themselves in bombs, other countries want impose religious inclined laws to suite their egos (names withheld). We read that alot of west africans fake Zambian passports in order to travel to places where they are forbiden from going due to anti-social behavior. this must give you an idea on how many people may flock to Zambia once we inacted laws in support of dual citizenship. Are these the type of people you would want to welcome to our beloved and peaceful country? Beyond your personal interest as a person living in diaspora think about a Zambian who may suffer from the violent acts that other people may bring in Zambia if we gave them a leeway. I believe for a person with dual citizen, he may easily go to his second home. For this reason, I fully President Micheal Sata and Veep Dr Scott for their stance on dual citizenship. The president has power to protect the interest of majority Zambians.

    simbwindibwi - April 14, 2013
    11:55

    • I think you have a narrow scope of understanding what this duality is all about. Even as things stand, there is nothing that stops moslems from applying for Zambian citizenship. If I am correct the people actually advocating for dual citizenship are Zambians not non-Zambians. Imagine your Zambian Simbwindibwi sister married to an Italian expatriate working in Zambia bears two children with him . These children are born at UTH and by default become zambians. Then at age 5, the family goes to Italy. Now because these children bear Zambian citizenship, they may be denied certain benefits like health care as they will be regarded as Zambians. They would then have to change to Italian citizenship but because the Zambian law forbids dual citizenship, they would have to renounce it! Don’t you think these nephews of yours are better off claiming to be both Italian as well as Zambian? Is it not true that they carry the Simbwindibwi blood? So people caught up in such a scenario (by the way there are many other scenarios like a zambian couple living abroad and delivering a child abroad. That child by default, assumes the citizenship of that country were he is born. Don’t you think it is in order for such ones to enjoy duality?) Should be allowed to enjoy such benefits?

      mk - April 14, 2013
      13:09

    • You are just an ignorant PF cadre. Tiyeni uko namwe

      chuulu - April 14, 2013
      13:09

    • Duel nationality has to be linked to the fact that you have to have the Zambian connection or roots first and foremost. People will always abuse the privilege of being this or that national, but that’s no reason why others must be denied this blessing.

      SACROSANCT - April 14, 2013
      13:34

  26. My comments are still under moderation up to now? Please moderate your moderation.

    SACROSANCT - April 14, 2013
    11:52

  27. We the zambians in the entire diaspora . . . ???? Am not sure about that my friend

    monk analyst - April 14, 2013
    11:28

  28. One day there will only be WORLD CITIZENS.

    No more wars. Equal opportunities and rights for all. Dual Citizenship is one small step in that direction, but IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!

    The Freedom we achieved demands that the Government do whatever is necessary to assist Zambians where ever they are in the world.

    Only idiots would stupidly deny that this is a progressive move. Their thinking and mentality is still in the Stone Age. Why should our options be limited by the legacy of the colonial division of Africa into national borders? We were not consulted, nor did we give our consent. They are our brothers in those other countries, just as we are theirs. Why should we be prevented from being their equals by a shortsighted and selfish few here in Zambia?

    Bimbo - April 14, 2013
    11:28

  29. Jealousy is so poisonous that it can harm the owner. You do not lose anything if a few Zambians abroad today or for that matter, in future, are given an opportunity to continue being Zambian citizens when they decide to take up citizenship of another country. What this will mean is that their children will be able to benefit from education and other social services in those countries. Further, those Zambians will be able to access cheaper capital and transfer it to Zambia to create businesses and jobs for Zambians. As for foreigners who would want to become Zambians the normal requirements currently in place will be used to process such applications. Zambian authorities will still retain the authority to deny or grant citizenship. The only difference from current law will be that one will not be required to revoke Zambian citizenship when they acquire another country’s citizenship. Let us not oppose because we feel that personally we will not benefit. Our relatives and friends may benefit.

    PRAISE GOD - April 14, 2013
    10:45

  30. Dear Siique Gondwe Geloo. Please speak for yourself and yours. I have been living and working abroad for a very long time, but we still manage to visit home (Zambia)at least once a year, we have properties in Zambia as well as UK, and together with my friends based in zambia we have managed to pull resources together and have a successful enterprise. You do not need two passports to do that! Don’t get me wrong I have nothing against dual citizenship, but most reasons I have seen being advanced on these blogs seem to have one common theme: I need to take up citizenship where I am and be able to travel freely and not hide my ‘new’ citizenship. It has very little to do with development!

    Zon der Van - April 14, 2013
    10:32

    • thanks for being honest

      mambala - April 14, 2013
      22:25

  31. I consider the diaspora a very necessary ingredient in a development of any nation. Suspicions of this constituent should be discarded. KK did a lot of damage in this process, understandably so in a way. We had been surrounded by hostile forces from the 60s and duel nationality was a big deal in as far as loyalty is concerned. That era is gone. We’ve very important people in the diaspora that can help propel the nation forward. For examplen the current Gorvernor of the Bank of Israel Stanely Fischer, was born in Mazabuka and was educated there up to age 15. These are people that can help this country

    SACROSANCT - April 14, 2013
    10:28

  32. Dual citizenship is the way to go bane

    fair - April 14, 2013
    10:24

  33. You want to take advantage over the weak kwacha so that you can own a lot of land in zed.sorry you cant save two masters .since zed cant offer what you want better be where you are.please mr sata dont give them dual citizenship exercises your powers.those people aint proud to be zambians.

    Ogoro - April 14, 2013
    09:58

    • Iwe Ogoro are you from Uganda? What does Ogoro mean? Are you saying Zimbabwe, Angola, South Africa who are more developed than us have not done more research for them to have adopted DUAL Citizenship? USA, UK, Canada etc…which are the most developed countries in the world have dual citizenship, if this had some flaws they would have not embraced it. DO NOT live in isolation, the world is becoming a global village. Naushalilila mwana.

      Jack Lombe - April 14, 2013
      10:45

    • Do you know that given an opportunity you can father and raise a child/children on foreign soil? And do you know how much the diaspora are sending home? We mbututuwe.

      Inxosana - April 15, 2013
      08:14

  34. NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP. YOU GUYS YOU CAN NOT HAVE ONE LEG IN YOUR COUNTRY AND THERE OTHER ELSE WHERE. LOYALTY BANE? EVEN WITH YOUR SCHOOLING YOU OPT TO WORK AS A SHOP KEEPER.

    watch - April 14, 2013
    09:37

    • nonsense. Jelousy will detroy you mate

      chuulu - April 14, 2013
      12:54

  35. First things first. We are in the diaspora because Zambia can’t offer us what we want in life. But that is not to say we don’t Love our country or miss it. We do. However, Dual Citizenship will offer us a chance to also participate effectively in the economic, social and political discourse of Zambia. We can bring to the table another dimension to the way the discourses are undertaken by drawing examples and lessons from our second countries. Dual Citizenship needs the support of all well meaning Zambians both away and at home.

    Centre Back Of Democracy - April 14, 2013
    09:37

  36. Dual citizenship benefits Zambia and families that are in diaspora and back home alike.

    dual - April 14, 2013
    09:37

  37. It is not an online paper but an online publication please!!!!!

    jesus - April 14, 2013
    09:37